here goes all I, s_p, have said and "defended", want to make things clear. Anyone here from (my former presence on) "schizoforum" will know. and those who wont, well, will be a really interesting read.
/
within few offenses (cross-linking on forum, putting things in AI from forum (f.), pasting sections from f. on my few webs (about 00s-10s culture), being "annoying" (while i had "time lord victorious moment", thinking i do right/helpful/needful thing) [youtube posting, links, shitpost in chat...]. what "break camel's back" and marked me as persona nongrata was "fanfic"...
~~~
what i wrote next (below, in quotes) is plus-minus similar-samee-sh to your e-mail. i am sorry (and i do it again...) if i cry out but i just want to let others know my point,
tho i think they heard it (in chat, before ban, at interrogation/intervention) already and i just want to put things straight,
tho i for sure wouldn't think it will change anything, because i was a snobbish arrogant fool anyway, waaaay before. But what i didn't expect was to get banned over "hehe funny thread" or "this is how i think you see me, folks" 'confession'. Maybe I still don't get it, but it is weird to see (on) "we are not reddit"-forum (to/that) delves into its dead ("normie") ("everyone i dont like is Hitler/banned!"-)era, - everybody in chat and no one on boards/in threads... (and if, it looks like #58th thread ~on some type of "metal music" offshoot~ by ####, which is funny-sad-mad to me; and newbie threads, and threads that are digged deep so they come out only when other same is made after year or three (XD)...)
about chat (phrase I remember (and bugged me,) reading) before ban - it was Vit(?), saying ~ "vwmaster(1) at least contributed art to forum" (which makes me intrigued but what should I care, right...) - and someone replied to her (or me) that they (who, i forgot/havent noticed) "[i] thought [you/he] were chill(...)" >
"I got no chill", chat?
If I had maybe I wouldn't loose time somewhere of denial about "coolness". I wanted to be as you edgelords. I parroted after Vit and Eris who are seen as "cowboys" but when I do, "kind flower", oh woe, you expect for "it" to be unscathed.
Instead of being applauded for change or whatnot, I got lecture.
That is not to say I don't get it, but it just shows how there can't be "real change" in society everybody wants so, nowadays. So seems to be incentive of "underground schizo forum". Nice...
(^something similar to what i already replied to you upon your writing to me - "i wanna be like you (Vit, Eris, Boxer...)"-phrase)
3am thoughts about it all, right after ban (not to cry out, but to get my POV (as said before))
Defence I wrote
(What being banned taught me)
It taught me that snark, without being too obvious, can never be so good how it can totally go wrong and be misunderstood. To put /s there next time …
Brutal, stupid, and cut into the wrong place. What that could be, was just a funny clip about… Something. Yet it, by the look back, looks totally regarded and not funny even as satire. Maybe it was funny to me because I was "in the flow" - writing crass.
I wrote it because I wanted to see weird stuff. How [they] hate [him, SP (me)] because… Basically of what we saw today, because every time he posts, it is either pain or nonsense, or both at once - I wanted to wrote how HK finally snaps and reverse Carrie force leads others to "randomly" (fate? plot?) meet, despite all odds.
It had to be funny, but boiled down into (usual, Porcupine) shit. Instead of Mike Meyers humor, it became New Velma -tier self-insert, arguably even worse than that one…
But I doubt that even if others would get it, or better that terrible part with V-h got deleted, the form, still, misses something crucial, yet to be believed/solved.
But I doubt that even if others would get it, or better that terrible part with V-h got deleted, the form, still, misses something crucial, yet to be believed/solved.
I think, basically, that all I wanted was to write something for the (fun's/whim) sake of it and then let others finish it, as all I can think of, is funny, jokes, innuendos or totally random things too long and complex to ever get explained in talking manner.
I wanted to be remembered no matter what, and that was kinda a wish-came true, also with no matter what -way. I thought I am the next Polansky, and for like the third time, just sperg out bollocks in and out, so I'd feel special (what others think, anyway…) and not like someone who… Need to cope with "everybody got it the same", the way proponents of "reverse (white ivory tower lit-ac "decolonize!" tumblr girl -sorts) racism" tend to do - to my dismay to not be that obtuse when also still denying I cope so -not…
Have a nice day! (Meant sincerely. I am not mad, I will maybe be in the future, like week~month from now, but now I am just a little sad but also alway knew that the more "cool" I am, the more "corrupted" I am underneath all that (as the saying with a tree goes).)
the "fanfic" in question (amost forgot):
/Arc: ##1 (
___
(camera: scene:)
##1 (for himself; aloud):
Why! For the love of God, why! How many times I have to say to that twerp, vaporwave is when... [ah]. It is not like I don't like him, but maybe I do ...!
S_P (thinking): [self]
I wonder. While HK was bit weird yesterday, I wonder how is our relationship, actually. I might get him, yet, maybe I don't want to know because I am in denial and when I try, it is only worse... Fuck it we ball, gonna make some posse art, post it and pretend how on-nose it is; everyone does...
##(V)2:
"Fummie look! Total spergout in chat again!"
V's husband:
"No surprise, yet --- fummie? How."
##2:
"Teehee. You know what? It get really tiresome how we bicker on about S_P. What he thinks! I am the queen(king) of chat! But if I will post all the time, others will assume I am as bad and dull- as him! If he is h[e, one wonders], lalala[...]" (/shared speech/thoughts with ##1, at the same time.)
[husband]: "I---will pretend like I don't care. But you make me worry at times like these. What can I do, 'Florida -...', they say[...]"
##2:
"Noted. Now, [where were I...] - do you see it! Again! How that place can be so... [ah] Time to log off, or [together with HK, at the same time:] I will come and kick S_P's ass!"
[h:]
"Woah. From what I 'learned' of him, that guy/dude/emo kid must be fucked as hell. On other hand, So... No. They sound pretty alike at times. Bay-da-wei, do you think who is worse, Pickle, Vetu, Denver Asexual, the q... nes... Nesquik, Parzival, S_P or Antoine? They are all so... Lol[...]"
[h:]
"You mean THAT? Well... I wonder if IT could get WORSE [haha]..."
---
##1: (*=thought, if not stated otherwise; uses reverberated echo)
*Should I pity him, or should I be aware of what could be? Is this what awaits all, sooner or later? Is there, and of those on Agora, at last, chance there awokens someone so out of touch, yet someone who hate those types, that he becomes hated by all? Couldn't be me! No. Who I am laughting at. Many times before, I thought, but I deny, how there is little difference between most 'vile' ******s. From *to **, no one seems to be safe when time comes of them. Because
[(thought) speech shared with/by (f.n.) ##3]
there's a water boiling for every swine. One moment, you are awarded, another - exploited and kicked in corner by wannabe be-good globalists-betterpeople(sh)[...]*
/time skip/
SP: So it came to this. Was I bad, was I good, The truth is, you can't outrun yourself because there is no one left, then. Abandoned by all, denying (self-)love, all there is it to admit - there are no limits. If I was or wasn't, it isn't on me, - because no one can see above the limits of one's perceptions! Posse or not, it is vaporwave (or not), because if not, they don't play modern pop there anyway! So, play then, vaporwave!!! Teh purrfect critique!!!
/Whole "bus" cheers/
" *Porcupine had been:
Repeatedly flooding threads with low-quality replies and cross-links to other threads that were only tangentially related to the one he was posting in.
Making new threads where every post was copy-pasted from either another thread or another website.
Repeatedly flooding the chats with YouTube embeds that nobody watched.
Repeatedly flooding the chats with copy-pasted tweets and articles that nobody read.
Repeatedly spam-tagging threads with tags that didn't make any sense and that broke the search engine by making it turn up faulty results.
Repeatedly copy-pasting site content, including chat logs, into various AI things and either leaking it to the wider internet or reposting it back here."
Porc, I appreciate you posting this in the right board.
I'm sorry about what happened. If anyone wants to talk to you here, I'll allow it.
Some_Porcupine, how would you have felt if you hadn't ate breakfast today?
> [(thought) speech shared with/by (f.n.) ##3]
what programming lang is this?
A few users are already claiming things like your fanfic being sexfic, since they were never able to see it and now the mods deleted the original.
Difamation was to be expected, however I was surprised by how quickly the jannies were supported by people who seldomly posted or interacted with you. Do you have any thoughts on that?
I support the porc in exile.
>>0x000007
> S>>0x000001
> " *Porcupine had been:
> Repeatedly flooding threads with low-quality replies and cross-links to other threads that were only tangentially related to the one he was posting in.
> Making new threads where every post was copy-pasted from either another thread or another website.
> Repeatedly flooding the chats with YouTube embeds that nobody watched.
> Repeatedly flooding the chats with copy-pasted tweets and articles that nobody read.
> Repeatedly spam-tagging threads with tags that didn't make any sense and that broke the search engine by making it turn up faulty results.
> Repeatedly copy-pasting site content, including chat logs, into various AI things and either leaking it to the wider internet or reposting it back here."
All of these things could be solved by ignoring Porc and/or limiting what he can do through adjusting user permissions in Xenforo. The jannies are literally retarded
>>0x00000d
> All of these things could be solved by ignoring Porc and/or limiting what he can do through adjusting user permissions in Xenforo. The jannies are literally retarded
Sounds functionally identical to a ban on posting to me.
>>0x00000e
> Sounds functionally identical to a ban on posting to me.
A ban kicks someone out entirely. Counteractive measures stops the unwanted behavior without kicking the user out for good. It's like saying that if your kid is hungry and they keep complaining, don't feed them food. Kick them out of the house since both solutions stop you from hearing the kid complain
I like porc but the quality of the forum suffers when
> dsafdsf hello dsafjklsdflk what dsfjlkdfsjlksdfsfdajksdf am kjsdf i ljkfsd saying aljksdfa who ljksdfa really ljksdfa knows ljksdfa i jkldfsa guess jklfsd it aljksdfa does kjldfsa not ljkdfsa matter ljksdfa
basically this is allowed.
porc needs to learn to post more coherrently otherwise he will never be accepted anywhere
>>0x00000f
> A ban kicks someone out entirely. Counteractive measures stops the unwanted behavior without kicking the user out for good. It's like saying that if your kid is hungry and they keep complaining, don't feed them food. Kick them out of the house since both solutions stop you from hearing the kid complain
To use this same analogy (which is a stupid one because it implies that not being able to post on a website is as serious as starving to death), "corrective measures" in this situation would have meant locking the kid in a closet where nobody could hear him instead of kicking him out. It's the same result with less bullshit and beating around the bush about what you're actually doing.
I think you're just offended at the general concept of banning someone from posting on a website and are trying to pretend that coming up with a bunch of arbitrary rules designed to prevent a particular person from doing 99% of what they come to a website to do is somehow better because it technically isn't a ban.
>>0x000011
> To use this same analogy (which is a stupid one because it implies that not being able to post on a website is as serious as starving to death), "corrective measures" in this situation would have meant locking the kid in a closet where nobody could hear him instead of kicking him out
Actually, it's an apt analogy because it compares appropriate levels of severity when it comes to responding to events. You modified the example to add nothing to it because both kicking the kid out and locking them in the closet would be excessive and the wrong solution
> I think you're just offended at the general concept of banning someone from posting on a website and are trying to pretend that coming up with a bunch of arbitrary rules designed to prevent a particular person from doing 99% of what they come to a website to do is somehow better because it technically isn't a ban.
Clearly you haven't been put into any sort of position of authority before, so I'll spell it out for you: moderators, or anyone with authority over a situation, are put in place to keep things in control. They have tools in place to help them to do this. Banning is an obvious one because it is generally the most extreme and one that people don't want to have happen since it involves removing a person entirely from the situation
So if someone is being annoying with things like tagging, guess what? Xenforo (the forum software that powers Agora) allows mods and admins to prevent users in specific roles from messing with thread tags. The solution is just to put that person into a role that doesn't allow tagging. That solves the behavior and allows the user to still participate on the forums
some_porcupine: "I got banned"
drama whores: "Quiet honey, we're talking about you, not to you"
>>0x000012
> So if someone is being annoying with things like tagging, guess what? Xenforo (the forum software that powers Agora) allows mods and admins to prevent users in specific roles from messing with thread tags. The solution is just to put that person into a role that doesn't allow tagging. That solves the behavior and allows the user to still participate on the forums
Okay, his tagging is annoying. Petition the admin to create a new user role just for him so he can't tag threads. He also spams links in chat, so you ban him from the chat or create a special chat room where he's isolated from everyone else. He keeps making threads and posts that most people find completely incomprehensible, so you limit him to a special sub-forum or make it so he has to ask permission before making a post. What's left for him to participate in at that point? You are policing everything he does and are effectively telling him "we are going to hold your hand until you start doing everything differently." And now, if you want to at least try to be fair, you're also committing yourself to doing all this stuff for every other user who might make a bunch of incomprehensible posts in the future. By creating all these special cases for this one particular user you've blurred the line between what is and isn't considered acceptable and have created a bunch of pointless containment forums/chats that make controlling the forum discourse more complicated, all while still effectively removing him from the site and accomplishing exactly the same thing as a ban. It would be pure mental gymnastics, all to get around having to say the b-word. What's worse, committing to that kind of hand-holding and hands-on moderation would set a bad precedent for the site in the future. I am not going to let Agora turn into another old web forum with a long list of rules and moderators who watch everyone like prison guards.
I've said my piece and am not going to waste any more time arguing over this unless it's with Porcupine himself.
>>0x000001
crying over being banned from a forum on another forum is the most pathetic look imaginable
>>0x000016
> crying over being banned from a forum on another forum is the most pathetic look imaginable
and yet somehow still less pathetic than 95% of shit threads here that get posted on /main/
Why do you type so strangely? What led you to wanting to connect all the threads in the forum in such incomprensible manner?
I am sure there is internal logic to your method, but through the years I could never tell what hidden connections you saw when tsgging the threads like you did.
>>0x000002
> If I had maybe I wouldn't loose time somewhere of denial about "coolness". I wanted to be as you edgelords. I parroted after Vit and Eris who are seen as "cowboys" but when I do, "kind flower", oh woe, you expect for "it" to be unscathed.
> (^something similar to what i already replied to you upon your writing to me - "i wanna be like you (Vit, Eris, Boxer...)"-phrase)
> wrote weird self-therapy fanfic about Vit and her husband in thread about agora users
do you have a dommy mommy fetish
I wonder how long it will take porc to answer all these questions
>>0x000008
<<p: thank you
>>0x000009
> Some_Porcupine, how would you have felt if you hadn't ate breakfast today?
<<p: insne until i got lunch or olovrant (brunch)
>>0x00000b
"> [(thought) speech shared with/by (f.n.) ##3]"
> what programming lang is this?
<<it is script, with ()s descr.-ing action/footage/sounds. ~ f.n. states "frequently named" i think
>>0x00000c
> A few users are already claiming things like your fanfic being sexfic, since they were never able to see it and now the mods deleted the original.
<<it was not, tho, it was (i think, ~now) non-sex "kink" where i "flanged" myself about how others see me (which tracked - banned, described as <now/on forum/ in "rip users" /thread, in text> and got "proven" [tho for other reasons too, which i find... fair ~ thought i was helping...])
> Defamation was to be expected, however I was surprised by how quickly the jannies were supported by people who seldomly posted or interacted with you. Do you have any thoughts on that?
<<hehe same idea/shock. i get it but still "crass" to see. well... i made it myself, how i portrayed Me/Self, as someone "better", because without that, id be just no-one, not interesting... (thanks, tv! thanks, youtube! thanks, millennials! what a dream!!! /cyn...)
> I support the porc in exile.
<<wait: do you support me as exilant, or as of being put there, "finally"?
>>0x00000c
> A few users are already claiming things like your fanfic being sexfic, since they were never able to see it and now the mods deleted the original.
i didnt edited it, just closed it in "nsfl" spoiled. that it got deleted, was expected. didnt meant it to be, it was just poking fun of forum, cliques and my fantasy of how i see myself as "good/cool", when in fact i do this over myself to be/feel important...
>>0x00000f
> A ban kicks someone out entirely. Counteractive measures stops the unwanted behavior without kicking the user out for good. It's like saying that if your kid is hungry and they keep complaining, don't feed them food. Kick them out of the house since both solutions stop you from hearing the kid complain
-punp and answers to him said it best, i said to him too upon first few warnings, that id try to revert the tags or try to be better but also that ~id prolly forget <so, to that>~
>>0x000010
> I like porc but the quality of the forum suffers when
> basically this is allowed.
- it is not, i overstepped, because i "felt funky", as i often do (i.e. making crass humor, schizoanswers or playing stupid/dumb, disagreeing for sake of feeling "unique" even if i agree but making me feel hurt in kind of way "not being genius" i want to be - selfish needs...
> porc needs to learn to post more coherently otherwise he will never be accepted anywhere
- thinking id write and reply in slovak then, but it is too late then. maybe it is just chat and users quantity (than quality, but that is for to explain some other time) which makes me whorey (edgy, "horny" for being weird... not that much pleasure, than audience... and power of internet, opinions on web (something to 45% similar to “The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”, but more about creating that love by force than being vurnerable...))
>>0x000013
> What will you do next?
no idea. trying to connect (source) subgenres of VW now. you can see it here: https://vaporwave.fandom.com/wiki/Subgenres
>>0x000015
> I've said my piece and am not going to waste any more time arguing over this unless it's with Porcupine himself.
- what is here to be known, then, sir?
>>0x000017
> Damn, and I thought this was an AMA, not a debate..
- many such cases. i thought "schizo forum" was about vaporwave or conspiracies. but chat, tbh, kills it a lot... good (mostly) that chat got disabled view on offline/guests. (/n, continues below:)
- less quality posts, more of drama. i guess it is not mensa, yet, i cant deny even in mensa theyd have "regards" moment about gossip and id hate it the same, lol. just my nature... if you notice how risingthumb/aaron texts, im just lite version of that (ok, tuned out by 79%) XD #poastgoals
>>0x000019
> Why do you type so strangely? What led you to wanting to connect all the threads in the forum in such incomprensible manner?
- i p(o)asted my WHY above in the starters of this thread. but these are new so i go with it.
i guess being ESL, i forgot/never noticed how englishmen chat so i just write in "slovak order" but in english, word-for-word formula. can be eyesore on OSV-VSO (or so) differences and minuscule language/chat nuances!
- i wanted to elim. doubleposts, make tags group similar threads (until that worked. after that, i make it a "function" of discoverability than SEO. i just wanted to help shrug)
> I am sure there is internal logic to your method, but through the years I could never tell what hidden connections you saw when tagging the threads like you did.
- oh. about that. sometimes i got "spaghetti thinking", when things reminds me of each other, but in maybe synesthesia-kind of way...
>>0x00001a
> do you have a dommy mommy fetish
hm... maybe i am just used to it... or i am just "weak man" who need to be pushed around to do anything, really (sadly)
>>0x00001b
> I wonder how long it will take porc to answer all these questions
until nobo notices, post about it on forum, > until i notice he just did > until i reply (me, peeking over the hedge be like:)
Have a nice, great day, weekend (if can) and <all i could say, was said in "Prologue" of this AMA> - who asked me again about "why i...", mainly about "why am i like that", good sir, sir - it was answered (i suppose) in embeds, to be seen here: !!! (ah, /shrug)
>>0x000004
///If i forgot to answer some stuff or if i didnt make a clear line on some things, just ask.
i wrote "the script" because i noticed and reacted upon me-sided ~hostility~. i did that because (for [how] the xth time [i] said---,) --- i strive for attention (i guess?), direction ~ see the answer about "dommy mommy fetish", above...
will wait for other AMAs if you need like it. what i said in the start (of this, "AMA"), - is that +-, quote of >>0x0..002,
> "I wrote it because I wanted to see weird stuff. How [they] hate [him, SP (me)] because… Basically of what we saw today, because every time he posts, it is either pain or nonsense, or both at once - I wanted to wrote how HK finally snaps and reverse Carrie force leads others to "randomly" (fate? plot?) meet, despite all odds."
(wanted to write for sake of it, because it was, at the moment, funny to me. and still kind of is. no means to be mean-spirited. wrote it as kind-hearted critique of circlejerk we had...)
>>0x000020
> at the moment, funny to me. and still kind of is
I laugh at things like this all the time that I don't share. I have maybe 2 friends that I joke with about anything privately who I know will not take it seriously. Yeah, the forum is more tolerant of edge than most of the Internet, but you really can't joke about peoples families unless they are your best friends, and even then, they would probably still be mad that you did it publicly.
I think you get it. You know it was a mistake to share it.
But there is no use focusing on just that. All the mods said it was the "the straw that broke the camel's back." And truth is, they probably gave you longer than most mods would give you.
In my opinion the thing that would help you the most is if you practice talking like other people so that you blend in. Don't do long stream of conscious talks where you make up grammar rules on the fly and use short hand that even you can't tell what you meant later.
Write in shorter sentences as you are practicing. Take the time to learn "is this the proper way to say it?" before you hit post.
You can do it.
>>0x000021
well sure didnt think vit will. thinking that i am "one of OGs" now, - that i could be brut like jaguar or even what babble got into at such short time (which could be the reason why i wrote what i did, because) he became my raison d'etre on forum if i could "beat him up" where he belonged... "what, some newbie can spew radical thoughts like that!?! of course not. i remember how [long] this took Me
[and i (when still on-site) still fight for my life (holding on straw), "hold in there, kitty"...] yet, see yourself"...
yeah, those all other things "i forgot"... i guess with AI, i just wanted to see what random things (discord markovian chains) or what it will deduce (character.ai), yet when i tried, nothing. even songs from chat (few) got no rhytm, i guess prose and poetry cant make up hip-hop "just like that".
other things like sharing chats on my [google]site no one ever visits or that one tumblr - at that moment, it just fit to the concept of "zillennila lost futures". still can change names on both, all three.
as punp or no56(?) said it, looking back, it was really "toxic" how i was seen as "cute weird puppy", while, tbh, that was kinda my (pathological) goal as someone who was "edgy, online"...
i havent (talked like they do) because when it was worse ("npc talk") i laught, if it was better (s/t. risingthumb or parzival/or others, similar, like that guy with metal "nazi" (it wasnt, but looked like it) symbol) would say, tho i respected only one of those and the other, 40% of time), i was angry. so i played my own game where no one could surpass "that". as the modern proverb go, "they cant say if you do good if they dont know what you are (actually) doing"...
>>0x000021
> But there is no use focusing on just that. All the mods said it was the "the straw that broke the camel's back." And truth is, they probably gave you longer than most mods would give you.
i kinda got used of it... "is it over?" or "they forgot" or "i cant change but i am too valuable to be gone" (i can change but only if knew what is wrong. how i wrote was partly how ideas just flew in my head. so trying to pass runaway train thru sentence will look like diarrhea. mainly when i dont want to forget anything, but from onlooker's side, it looks like making things up on the go; because if i were to even start to explain "how i came up with such (ridiculous) claims", that would be for another of those x2, x3 or few more...
> In my opinion the thing that would help you the most is if you practice talking like other people so that you blend in. Don't do long stream of conscious talks where you make up grammar rules on the fly and use short hand that even you can't tell what you meant later. / > Write in shorter sentences as you are practicing. Take the time to learn "is this the proper way to say it?" before you hit post. / > You can do it.
~~~trying~~~... (tried to do that but chat was too fast and too "regarded" for me to even try. no state utopia huh, there cant be "chat" without sex, taboo, bs politics or tete-a-tete w/o. substance... (one time it was cool when halico and other green guy talked; or when we QnA'd babble, but that too devolved into "you think i think you think"-mess). maybe i just want too much.
between quora and reddit, agora was (maybe) quora-substance, reddit-questions... "i am not like other girls", but also, ~just how antice said~, "just anti-%". so what we get, is "we are not reddit/4chan", where they just want to continue the clique but dont want them to repeat the culture that is killing them inside. like "culture in vacuum" (impossible)...
>>0x00000d
> All of these things could be solved by ignoring Porc and/or limiting what he can do through adjusting user permissions in Xenforo. The jannies are literally retarded
Nigga are you high? Telling users to ignore porc won't undo the tag fuckery, nor will it keep his AI posts from leaking things out of the forum. I get that jannies bad, but after a while you need to realize that a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>0x000024
> Nigga are you high? Telling users to ignore porc won't undo the tag fuckery, nor will it keep his AI posts from leaking things out of the forum. I get that jannies bad, but after a while you need to realize that a broken clock is right twice a day.
How did you miss the part that says "limiting what (Porc) can do through adjusting user permissions in Xenforo"? It's the biggest part of the post you're quoting and already answers what you're complaining about
People have been saying that you're banned from over 100 different forums. How true is this?Also are there any other forums that you would recommend visiting?